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The naturally aspirated 4.2L V8 in your Audi B6/B7 S4 delivers effortless revs and classic Quattro power, but once you start adding performance bolt-ons, aggressive tunes, or spiriting driving into the mix, the factory clutch rapidly becomes the weak link. The ECS Tuning Stage 2 Performance Organic Clutch Kit is engineered specifically for enthusiasts who demand high torque holding capability without suffering through the heavy pedal effort, chatter, or harsh engagement of race-style puck clutches. Designed to pair seamlessly with your existing factory dual-mass flywheel or an aftermarket replacement, this kit delivers a massive jump in torque capacity while keeping your daily commute smooth and civil. At the heart of this kit is our high-friction, steel-backed organic disc paired with a heavy-duty precision pressure plate. Together, they increase clamping force to handle up to 445 lb-ft of torque�giving you plenty of headroom for aggressive launch control, track days, and spirited backroad runs.

The ECS Tuning Inverted coilovers mount the larger damper body at the knuckle and the smaller shaft at the top, which significantly increases rigidity and reduces flex under cornering and braking loads. This improves steering precision, camber stability, and damping consistency, especially in high-grip or track conditions. The design also better protects the piston shaft from debris and contamination, making it more durable for harsh environments Our ECS Coilover System provides confidence and precise control with a ride that is firm, yet compliant for the majority of enthusiasts.

Unleash a cleaner rear-end aesthetic and shed unnecessary chassis weight with the ECS Tuning 3" Stainless Steel Muffler Delete System. Designed specifically for the T3 Touareg TDI, this axle-back configuration replaces the bulky factory rear muffler section with smooth, free-flowing 304 stainless steel tubing running from the stock sleeve clamp location straight back to the rear Y-pipe split. Crafted from premium mandrel-bent 304 stainless steel, this system delivers maximum structural longevity and modular versatility. Whether you are connecting to your existing factory exhaust or a performance setup, installation is simple: use the included adapter pipe to clamp directly to the original OEM front pipe, or remove the adapter to slip-fit directly to a 3" downpipe. Achieving a flush, symmetrical rear stance is effortless thanks to integrated height-adjustable hangers that let you fine-tune tip height to eliminate uneven bumper gaps. Maintain a understated factory look by retaining your original OEM exhaust tips, or elevate your rear styling with our available ECS Quad Tips featuring a precision laser-etched ECS logo.

Drop a gear and disappear! You're going to love the new sound of your N52 with this Muffler & Resonator Delete Kit from Turner Motorsport. Forget buying a whole new exhaust; with just this kit, your exhaust will be completely transformed without breaking the bank. By substituting the restrictive factory muffler and resonator with a CNC mandrel-bent 3.0-inch straight-through design, this kit minimizes backpressure and accelerates exhaust gas evacuation. This architecture enhances the raw acoustic output of the N52 engine while retaining all factory primary and secondary OEM catalytic converters to maintain emissions compliance. Fabricated entirely from high-grade 304 stainless steel, the assembly utilizes a brushed finish for long-term corrosion resistance and thermal tolerance. The rear outlet features integrated stepped, slash-cut tips finished with precision laser-etched Turner branding, designed to fill the rear valence cutout cleanly. Installation is a breeze, requiring just two cuts along the factory-marked locations on the OEM midpipe, allowing the system to bolt up directly without further fabrication. Because the cuts are made at the factory service points, the modification is fully reversible using standard sleeve couplers to reinstall the original exhaust assembly if desired. Built for ideal fitment, the rigid sheet metal brackets provide precise, secure mounting that keeps the exhaust planted under aggressive driving. Slip-fit ends allow for easy adjustments during test-fitting, while the included sleeve and Accu-Seal style clamps ensure a tight, leak-free seal right out of the box.

The factory cast-iron exhaust manifolds originally fitted to M50, M50TU, and S50B30US-powered E36s are notoriously restrictive, heavy, and prone to cracking over time. Turner Motorsport Equal Length "Shorty" Exhaust Headers are a direct bolt-on upgrade, engineered to maximize exhaust flow, encourage exhaust gas scavenging, and give your M5X that crisp, aggressive BMW growl without sacrificing low-end torque. Unlike OEM cast-iron manifolds, Turner Motorsport's mandrel-bent stainless steel design ensures uniform pipe diameter throughout every bend to maximize exhaust gas velocity and eliminate restrictions. Flow-optimized, equal-length primaries promote exhaust gas scavenging, providing a noticeable boost in overall engine efficiency. These refined tubes merge smoothly into cast collectors, engineered to maximize long-term durability and exhaust gas flow. Built to sustain years of high-RPM abuse and high-temperature exposure, these headers feature thick, precision laser-cut flanges that resist warping to guarantee a permanent, leak-free seal. Every joint is meticulously TIG-welded for exceptional structural integrity, ensuring the headers can handle intense heat cycling without cracking. As a true bolt-on upgrade, they drop directly into the E36 chassis and mate perfectly with your factory mid-pipe without the need for custom fabrication.

BMWs are notorious for their cooling system issues, often leaving owners stranded or causing irreversible engine damage in the event of failure. At the heart of these issues is the coolant expansion tanka crucial component responsible for holding hot engine coolant under high pressure. Unfortunately, BMW chose to manufacture the factory E30 expansion tank out of plastic. After decades of exposure to high engine bay temperatures and chemical-laden antifreeze, your expansion tank isn't just a weak linkit's a ticking time bomb. With this failure in mind, Turner's team of BMW enthusiasts set out to develop the ultimate solution for E30 enthusiasts: a robust expansion tank built to last! Constructed from durable 5052 TIG-welded aluminum, this tank withstands high temperatures and pressures without deteriorating over time. Unlike the OEM molded plastic tank, Turner's alternative is not prone to cracking, leaking, or weakening. With Turner's Heavy Duty Aluminum Expansion Tank Kit, you'll never experience expansion tank failure again! To ensure precise fitment, 3D CAD modeling was utilized to design an upgraded tank that installs just like the factory unit. All bungs, nipples, and fittings are precision-machined for a reliable seal with factory hose ends. Unlike other aftermarket coolant reservoirs, this tank retains the factory coolant capacity and features a laser-cut Turner logo plate at the top of the tank to provide an exact level for filling. Additionally, internal baffles were implemented to prevent fluid cavitation inside the expansion tank. This ensures air pockets are not introduced to the cooling system and prevents false coolant level warnings during performance driving. Designed for both high-performance builds and daily drivers, the tank features a premium wrinkle black powder coat for a sleek "OEM+" look. This durable finish goes beyond styleit prevents corrosion for long-lasting reliability. In addition to the expansion tank, this kit also features a silicone overflow hose, a high-quality level sensor, and an OE expansion tank cap to ensure a comprehensive cooling system service. Don't let the problematic factory expansion tank leave you strandedupgrade your E30 and drive with confidence!

Introducing our newest limited-edition colors. With limited units in existence, this exclusive release won't last long. Turn your VW or Audi turbocharged engine into a head-turning, exhilarating driving experience with our In-House designed and engineered Atmospheric Diverter Valve Spacer! Our ECS DV Spacer unleashes your turbocharger's compressed air into the atmosphere, giving it the sound of a blow off valve (BOV), with every gear change and every boosted throttle close! Thanks to our strategically engineered vent slots you can boost on without worry of CEL (Check Engine Light). Meticulously engineered and tested by our expert R&D Team on various Gen3 TSI vehicles, we ensured you can have all the fun without the worry of a warning lamp on your dash.

The factory VANOS hub on the BMW S54 engine is known to develop excessive play where the drive tabs interface with the high-pressure oil pump disk. Over time, this play causes a back-and-forth rattling motion that can lead to the tabs shearing off inside the engine, risking catastrophic failure. Unlike other aftermarket solutions that require full VANOS disassembly, retiming, or replacement of the oil pump disk, the Turner Motorsport S54 VANOS Hub Upgrade offers a smarter approach. This bolt-on fix eliminates the common failure point without opening the VANOS unit or disturbing engine timing. This solution involves removing the worn drive tabs from your stock exhaust hub and installing a precision-fit replacement machined from 4340 steel and hardened to OEM specifications. Designed using 3D scanning and CAD modeling, the Turner Motorsport VANOS Hub Upgrade provides a tight, interference-free fit into the oil pump disk, completely resolving the issue without unnecessary labor.

The ECS Tuning Carbon Fiber Intake for the 4M SQ7 is not just a performance upgrade; it's a masterpiece under the hood. Our innovative design replaces the factory panel filter with dual cone filters, resulting in improved airflow and an intoxicating induction and turbo sound. The cool air travels through the cone filters into our upgraded turbo inlets. The heat shield is crafted from beautiful gloss carbon fiber. Sealing against the hood, the shroud seamlessly merges with the OEM ram air duct, channeling cool outside air directly to the filters. The end result of all this is an intake system that combines fitment, quality, and performance into one stunning package that will make a statement in your engine bay!

From the factory, DCC-equipped vehicles rely on electronically controlled dampers that constantly communicate with the vehicle's control module. Removing the factory dampers without proper cancellation, as is common during coilover installation, results in persistent warning lights, fault codes, and limited drive mode functionality. Our Dynamic Chassis Control Canceller Kit is engineered to simulate the presence of factory dampers, restoring full vehicle functionality while giving you the flexibility to run your preferred suspension setup. Designed specifically for MK7, MK8, and 8Y chassis, this kit integrates directly into the factory harness no coding, splicing, or guesswork required.

When considering a brake rotor upgrade, it's important to factor in their specific use. On the road, a solid rotor is a simple, yet cheap and effective solution that is perfectly capable of handling daily-driver requirements. When you start taking your BMW to the track, things become a little more complicated. Extended periods of aggressive driving causes the amount of heat in the rotors to build up, and as the temperature of the rotors increase, the metal begins to expand. With solid rotors, this can lead to numerous issues such as warping of the rotors, unexpected cracking along the inner "ring" or friction surfaces, and increased brake fade. This is where Two-Piece Floating rotors start to shine. Two-Piece rotors were designed specifically for high-performance applications and are significantly more resistant to the effects of heat and friction, lessening the negative effects typically seen with standard rotors. The separation of the friction disk and the rotor hat allows for the rotor ring to expand and helps prevent heat from traveling into other sensitive braking components that could be damaged from prolonged exposure to harsh conditions.

Engineered specifically for the B8 A4 and S4, our Form-Fit Trunk Sound Deadening Kit is designed to reduce the transmission of road noise, chassis vibrations, and irritating exhaust drone. Increase comfort, eliminate road noise, and enjoy a more comfortable ride! Pre-cut and precisely labeled, each multi-piece section of this sound deadening kit is tailored to the contours of the B8 S4 trunk, including the floor and spare tire well. Installation couldn't be more simple: peel and stick-no cutting, no trimming, and no guesswork required. The included 4mm thick sound deadening material includes exact cutouts for all trunk obstructions-wiring, mounting studs, clips, and more-ensuring a true factory-level installation. Tested across four independent conditions, our Form-Fit Trunk Sound Deadening Kit achieved an overall noise reduction of 5 to 14 decibels, a significant drop you can hear and feel!

Upgrade your stopping power with a Front & Rear Performance Brake Service Kit from ECS Tuning. When adding more horsepower to your vehicle, it is imperative that you have a way to slow that power down and bring it your vehicle to a stop. One way to do that is to upgrade your brake rotors and lines. Your factory brakes getting near the end of their service life? This is a great opportunity to replace and upgrade at the same time! ECS Tuning has assembled this kit to upgrade the braking on your vehicle using our own ECS 2-Piece Full Floating Cross-Drilled & Slotted Wave Rotors mated with the great EBC Yellow Stuff Brake Pads, a combination that will offer a dramatic upgrade to your stopping power. A great way to add performance braking power to your daily driver or track car.

Protection of your undercarriage is vital. Despite late-model Euros incorporating complex underbody componentry, only flimsy plastic belly pans limit catastrophic damage to the underside of your car. Between giant potholes, speed bumps, and inclement weather, your vehicle is exposed to a variety of impacts that can ruin your engine and transmission oil pan, core support, or other critical components. At ECS, we've seen the destruction that occurs when a road hazard impacts a vehicle's undercarriage. We've set out to safeguard your vehicle and prevent expensive underbody repair work with a durable aluminum belly pan alternative: the ECS Tuning Street Shield. Constructed from sturdy 8-gauge 5052 lightweight aluminum, our skid plate is sure to protect your vehicle's underbody from harsh road conditions. The ECS skid plate encompasses the full length of the engine undercarriage from the front bumper cover to the front subframe to provide complete protection. The entire piece is laser cut for a perfect fit and includes all-new mounting hardware and aluminum brackets for perfect fitment and maximum security. To ensure easy serviceability, our design uses a "trap-door" for effortless access to the engine oil drain plug. Furthermore, our Street Shield incorporates recessed holes to prevent installation hardware from damage in the event of plate-to-ground contact. In short, our skid plate protects your vehicle's undercarriage and maintains factory performance and cooling, all while maximizing aerodynamics by smoothing airflow under the engine and transmission!

Experience a symphony of performance and sound, coupled with a visual upgrade through the quad exit exhaust tips that not only amplify the motorsport essence of the M340 but also replace the stock faux exhaust tips. Elevate your driving encounters with the Turner Motorsport cat-back exhaust - unleash the power, reveal the glorious sound, and capture attention wherever you go.

Unlock the full potential of your BMW build with the Turner Motorsport Transmission Swap Flywheel Kit, a simple solution for mating a modern N54 or N55 gearbox to your legendary M20, M5X, or S5X engine. By utilizing a dual-geometry flywheel, this kit allows you to keep your stock starter on the engine side while using the factory clutch and throw-out bearing from your donor transmission for a perfect, headache-free fit. We�ve even included a precision drill guide to help you effortlessly align the top bellhousing bolts and a universal pilot bearing pin to ensure a seamless install. It�s never been easier to modernize your drivetrain with a smooth and factory-like shifting feel with a largely increased power capacity.

Like many Audi models, manual transmission-equipped B6/7 S4's came from the factory with dual-mass flywheels. While this design delivers excellent comfort, smooth gear changes, and minimal vibration, it also adds significant weight, tipping the scales at a hefty 26.5 lbs. For performance-oriented enthusiasts, the dual-mass flywheel is a hindrance, dulling engine response and overall driving engagement. With this flaw in mind, we set out to design a lightweight, performance-minded single-mass flywheel for B6/7 S4 enthusiasts! Our precision-engineered upgrade weighs in at only 18.9 lbs, a substantial weight reduction of 29%! This reduction translates to a dramatic improvement in throttle response and engine pep, allowing you to extract even more driving pleasure from your S4.

At ECS Tuning, we're proud to release our in-house designed and engineered High Flow Intercooler Pipe Kit! Each kit comes standard with mandrel bent, powder coated aluminum plumbing from the turbocharger to the throttle body, as well as upgraded silicone couplers, stainless steel T-Bolt clamps, and all installation accessories for an easy, direct bolt-on installation. The factory turbocharger outlet pipe has serious restriction right out of the compressor outlet due to it's small diameter tubing and irregular obstructions. We've improved this charge pipe by providing a smooth transitioning silicone coupler right off the turbo outlet, which carries boost pressure to our carefully evaluated larger diameter intercooler pipes. The upper intercooler pipe features a CNC-machined and TIG welded mounting flange for the aluminum mounting bracket to allow for OE-like fitment. Similar to the turbo outlet pipe, the factory intercooler outlet pipe leaves much to be desired. We've improved this charge pipe by providing a silicone coupler off of the intercooler outlet, which carries boost pressure to our larger diameter tubing throttle body pipe. The ECS intercooler outlet pipe features a CNC-machined and TIG welded MAP sensor mounting flange to allow for direct fitment. We've also included a smooth flowing silicone throttle body hose coupler to complete the transition from stock to our upgraded kit.

This left and right plastic cover mounts over the wiper cowl on the front windshield and has an access panel flip up for the brake fluid reservoir and the other side has the battery cover. Great for a replacement to restore that section. The integrated rubber seal at the top each side that touches the window tends to deteriorate over time. These trim panels include that seal on each side. (Note when these start to deteriorate it looks like a separate seal, but it is part of the main plastic piece.) Restore the look of your faded cowl section.

BMW's first and only DCT, the Getrag GS7D36SG, is highly regarded by enthusiasts for several reasons. Its lightning-quick shifting, heavy-duty durability, and engaging driving dynamics make this the perfect transmission for high-performance applications. However, high-performance use stresses the importance of high-quality fluid, cooling, and filtration. Unfortunately, the Getrag's plastic oil pan and low fluid capacity excel at none of the above. The team at Turner Motorsport has designed a permanent, high-performance replacement for the flawed OEM pan: a cast-aluminum, increased-capacity upgrade that enhances cooling and durability. Its all-aluminum construction provides a significant upgrade over the OE plastic pan, which is prone to cracking when impacted by road debris. Engineered for those who demand more from their vehicle, the Turner Motorsport pan increases fluid capacity to promote superior cooling and help maintain optimal transmission temperatures, even in the most demanding conditions. To ensure a leak-free seal, Turner engineered a heavy-duty Viton gasket specific to their transmission pan design. The Viton material provides exceptional reliability under high temperatures and resists deformation common failure point of the factory rubber gasket. For further protection, integrated magnets actively attract and hold metal debris that could otherwise compromise the transmission's longevity. This innovative design keeps your fluid clean and extends the overall life of your drivetrain. Whether your DCT-equipped BMW serves as a track car or a highway cruiser, this pan ensures your transmission remains cool and efficient, minimizing the risk of overheating and wear.

Ditch the bulky mid-pipes and resonator, cut backpressure, and let your engine breathe! Unlock smoother sound and better performance with a Turner X-Pipe. Factory exhaust pulses exit each cylinder individually, creating turbulence and backpressure. An X-pipe merges those pulses into a single, balanced flow, reducing restriction, improving response, and delivering a cleaner, more refined exhaust note. Pair it with a performance rear muffler for maximum gains. BMWs straight-six engines are known for their trademark rasp and metallic tone. Turner's mid-section with an integrated X-pipe transforms that character, smoothing out the harshness and letting your M54 sound its best. Each kit includes fresh hardware for the downpipe connections and high-quality exhaust sleeves for a perfect fit to your factory rear section.

This is more than your ordinary roof rack. Our range of roof racks may share a consistent blend of striking good looks and incredible functionality, but here's the twist: each one is meticulously tailored for your vehicle's chassis, ensuring a seamless and precise fit. Unique geometry, patterns, and profiles are used to integrate flawlessly with factory mounting points and fit snugly within the space constraints of your vehicle's body. This guarantees that every roof rack aligns perfectly with the front and rear, with no overhang and zero interference with doors, hatches, or any aspect of your daily vehicle use. Crafted from durable 5052 Aluminum sheet metal, this roof rack system exemplifies durability and reliability at its core. Featuring 6 gauge side panels and fairings, along with billet aluminum roof mounting feet, it offers a perfect blend of strength and lightweight construction. The complete roof rack, including 5 crossbars, weighs in at just under 50 lbs, ensuring ease of handling and installation without compromising strength. This kit includes aluminum crossbars available in both round and square shapes, featuring t-slot channels designed to accommodate a wide range of roof rack accessories. Despite its lightweight nature, this roof rack is engineered to withstand substantial static loads, supporting well over 500 lbs with confidence. Our team has engineered a versatile solution suitable for various applications, whether it's transporting gear for outdoor adventures or carrying professional equipment. For optimal performance and safety, users are advised to consult the manufacturer's guidelines for maximum dynamic roof loading, ensuring your vehicle is up to the task that we know our line of roof racks can handle.

For the F5X generation, MINI stepped into a new era by equipping all models with BMWs turbocharged B38/B36 and B48/B46 engines. More boost means more excitement but you would never know with the factory airbox in place. The stock intake keeps things quiet, dulled, and choked off, muting the turbo sounds and holding back the engaging character these engines are capable of delivering. The ECS Luft-Technik Performance Intake System is designed to maximize efficiency, airflow, and induction sound, enhancing your driving experience while completely transforming your engine bay. This intake unlocks an unparalleled auditory experience by eliminating restrictive factory components, thereby freeing up the induction soundtrack for an exhilarating experience. Let your engine breathe! MAF (Mass Air Flow Senor) designed for Pre LCI and LCI cars, you use the OVAL inlet for PRE LCI and additional Plate for LCI cars!!

Protect your oiling system with confidence with our ECS Stainless Steel Oil Pan! Able to handle more abuse than the original pan while retaining major ground clearance and increasing oil capacity simultaneously. If you've ever worried about rocks or debris in the road compromising your oil pan, this is MUST HAVE PROTECTION! Not just another aluminum pan susceptible to cracking, our pan is beefy! Made from 11 gauge (1/8") T304 stainless steel and then 100% TIG welded and pressure checked for a perfect seal. To further ensure optimum sealing capacity, the mounting flange is thick, laser cut from 3/16" thick T304 stainless and then post machined and checked for flatness to our tight tolerances. Added strength and modularity is added into our design with six sturdy side gussets that are welded to the side walls and mounting flange surface. A welded-on M14x1.5mm bung converts your Evo4 engine to a standard, easy to use drain plug with our included ECS Magnetic Drain Plug. Factory provisions for the OEM oil level sensor are retained for direct, plug and play functionality. Topping off our pan is a laser cut "ECS" logo in the front corner for a subtle finishing touch. Increasing oil capacity and ensuring oil temps stay in the safe zone were incorporated into our design. By bringing the sump further forward we were able to utilize more volume, approximately 1.0 - 1.5 Liters of added oil capacity, which helps extend oil service intervals and maintains more consistent operating temperatures.

BMW's S55 uses a unique water-to-air charge air cooler. While this cooler is located inside the intake manifold, it relies on a front-mounted heat exchanger for heat dissipation. Many enthusiasts have found that this heat exchanger is a limiting factor when it comes to extracting more horsepower and torque from the twin-turbocharged-platform. Its single-row, 27mm core is quick to heat soak, resulting in sky-high-IATs and subsequently sending the DME into limp-home-mode. To solve this issue, Turner Motorsport has-designed an all-aluminum, performance-oriented heat exchanger suitable for street-focused, high-horsepower builds, track-oriented vehicles, and everything in between. To improve upon the factory design, Turner engineers started by addressing the weak, failure-prone plastic end tanks. Constructed from durable 5052 aluminum and TIG-welded for added strength, these end tanks are guaranteed to outlast the factory design. Additionally, the end tanks feature CNC-machined billet aluminum hose connectors, flanges, and brackets. This ensures seamless integration with the factory hoses�and mounting provisions, providing a trouble-free fit and effortless installation.

If you're pushing your S55-equipped BMW to the limit, keeping it cool is crucial. While most enthusiasts focus on upgrading the radiator and water-to-air intercooler systems, the engine oil cooler is an overlooked yet critical component. New for the F8X-generation M2, M3, and M4 is a low-slung, horizontally mounted oil cooler that leverages aerodynamics to create a low-pressure zone, increasing the overall efficiency of the oil cooler. While this design offers sustainable oil cooling for street-driven vehicles, the undersized core quickly reaches its limit on modified or track-driven cars. Additionally, its exposed position leaves it especially vulnerable to damage from road debris, meaning a small scrape can necessitate full replacement. If you're already replacing your oil cooler, why not upgrade? Turner's team of engineers set out to improve upon the factory design by engineering a larger core that restores lost efficiency and offers measurable improvements in thermal performance. By increasing the core thickness by 7% over the factory unit, this upgraded design improves airflow efficiency through the cooler, helping maintain lower and more consistent engine oil temperatures. What's more, its robust bar-and-plate core design, sheet metal end tanks, and 5052 aluminum composition, this cooler is built to take abuse. Whether you're replacing a tired OEM unit or upgrading for peace of mind, the Turner Motorsport High Performance Oil Cooler is a must-have reliability upgrade for your F8X BMW.

Regular engine oil and filter changes are a must for a long life for your Mercedes-Benz engine, and ECS Tuning has made it easy for you to keep you engine oil and filter changed with this oil service kit. This service kit includes everything you will need to perform an engine oil service on your Mercedes-Benz.

Your Golf VIII GTI isnt slow. Factory programming is holding it back. This iE tune safely reprograms the engine computer, stripping away those limits and replacing them with a new, unchained personality. Experience savage acceleration and custom-coded performance tech that makes your R / S3 unhinged when you want it, and civil when you dont.

Your MK8 Golf R or Audi S3 isnt slow. Factory programming is holding it back. This iE tune safely reprograms the engine computer, stripping away those limits and replacing them with a new, unchained personality. Experience savage acceleration and custom-coded performance tech that makes your R / S3 unhinged when you want it, and civil when you dont.

Your B9 A4/A5 or B9 Allroad isn�t slow. Factory programming is holding it back. This iE tune safely reprograms the engine computer, stripping away those limits and replacing them with a new, unchained personality. Experience savage acceleration and custom-coded performance tech that makes your R / S3 unhinged when you want it, and civil when you don�t.